Curse

The Sovereign · Aug 12, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

At the moment I'm playing as a hammer wielding W/Mo, however, I'm thinking of buying Factions, and with that comes the possibility of playing as a Dervish (the one thing I love about my warrior is the adjacent damage). The scythe sounds like an amazing weapon to use given the fact that it attacks adjacent foes, but I like my Warrior too much to go on and create a new character just like that. The extra armour and armour penetration that the warrior provides seems like it would go well with the melee-oriented scythe. Additionally, the aesthetic appeal of a Warrior with a scythe is just too much to bear. I know almost nothing about the Dervish profession, so I can't really foresee how well it would work (I have taken a look at some of the W/D builds at pvx). Would it be a bad idea to switch professions? Is the class fun, effective in most PvP and PvE situations?

Snow Bunny · Aug 12, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

It's Nightfall that grants you access to the Dervish profession.

And yes, using a scythe can be fun. I personally prefer the hammer, but several of my guildies use scythe warriors. If you do though, consider the elite [warrior's endurance]

The Sovereign · Aug 12, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Right, right - my mistake. I already own Factions, it was Nightfall that I was meaning to refer to.

Crom The Pale · Aug 12, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

War/Dervish can be very fun, there are a few builds that work very well.

There are also several builds that are fun but less efficient to play, experiment and enjoy

Nightow · Aug 13, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

[power attack][bull's strike][Protector's strike] Gogogo!

Marverick · Aug 13, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

It's fun but less efficient than D-slash or Earthshaker. However, not by that much. So yea, go for it.

Keep in mind, though: the scythe doesn't attack all adjacent foes, only those adjacent to you and your target, and only up to 3. So in large mobs, Triple Chop + Cyclone Axe + Whirlwind Attack will hit more targets than a scythe will.

Winterclaw · Aug 13, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

You'd need proph for warrior's endurance so e-management will be an issue.

Steboy93 · Aug 13, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Last night I did a vanquish and tried out this build for the first time, and I have to say that it was rather effective and very fun to play.

If you enjoy dishing out 200+ damage power attacks and tearing mobs apart with the kind of aoe that would put you in hosptal, i'd say give this build a try.

In higher end areas dslash and earthshaker are probably more effective, but tbh most of HM is just c+space anyway, and the w/d is a welcome break from the monotony of other builds.

The Sovereign · Aug 13, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I have Prophecies, EotN, Factions, and soon to be Nightfall. So I should have no trouble finding a fun build.

Another rather newbish question to pose: do I have to beat the entire Nightfall campaign in order to be able to switch my secondary to dervish?

Crom The Pale · Aug 13, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

No, you only need to reach the Comand Center and complete a few quests for it then you should find an NPC there that can change your secondary profession.

It's maybe 1/3 of the way through the story, if that!

draxynnic · Aug 14, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Less. It's probably about 1/4 into the story if you're an Elonian character. Importing a character from another campaign means you come in almost right before getting to the profession changer - you just need to do one easy mission and a couple of quests and you're there.

Ninjabbq · Aug 14, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

I use this for doing over 100 AoE damage to squishy mobs, it's fun.

Warrior's Endurance
Power Attack
Eremite's Attack
Protector's Strike
Pious Assault
2 x Optional
Rez

McMullen · Aug 14, 2008, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sovereign

Another rather newbish question to pose: do I have to beat the entire Nightfall campaign in order to be able to switch my secondary to dervish?

I think the profession changer at Great Temple of Balthazar will change it to dervish for you.

Flinte · Aug 14, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

heres how i run it.. works very well in FoW at least if you have good healers.

[build prof=Warrior/Dervish]["Save Yourselves!"][Warrior's Endurance][Farmer's Scythe][Power Attack][No Skill][Burst of Aggression][Sprint][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]

You should be able to spam ["Save Yourselves!"] during battle. For the optional skill I most often take [Dwarven Stability], [Pious Assault] or [Lion's Comfort] for self heal.

Also [Wild Blow] or [Rending Touch] would prove useful in some situations.

Nightow · Aug 14, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

However, [Wild Blow] would kill your self heal as well as SY!

Marverick · Aug 14, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

The alternative is that your attacks get blocked and thus kill SY! and your self heal.

Also, why no [Flail]? You need an IAS. And Farmer's Scythe is a terrible skill, take [Eremite's Attack].

Also [Aura of Holy Might] is a must-have on any PvE scythe wielder.

Crom The Pale · Aug 14, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Farmers Scythe is actually a fantastic attack when combined with Warriors endurance. If you hit multiple foes you gain back its cost and it instantly recharges.

The Sovereign · Aug 15, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

What I was running earlier today:[build prof=Warrior/Dervish][Warrior's Endurance][Asuran Scan][Pious Assault][Bull's Strike][Power Attack][Counterattack][Wild Blow][Resurrection Signet][/build]

I was thinking of replacing [Bull's Strike] with [Brawling Headbutt]. Was it a good idea to use [Counterattack], rather than the suggested [Protector's Strike]? (at pvx.) I don't have Aura of Holy Might yet, so I'll definitely work on getting that.

I'll have to play around with all of these useful suggestions - thanks to everyone who helped.

Trader of Secrets · Aug 15, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

I think Counterattack is a good switch to Prot Strike, Im not likely to chase a running foe cuz Im tanking a bunch of melee. I also ran SY for party support. One problem I find with this build is the lack of defense. Eles r doing serious dmg, in the 3 digits. Any good defensive stuff to add to the build?

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 15, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

If you're running SY (and doing it well, i.e keeping it up all the time), then everyone in your team barring you is taking 82.32% less damage. If the monks can't take care of one person your monks have serious problems (note, you dying in this situation isn't your fault). Very serious. PS: [[Protective Spirit], [[Shield of Absorption]. Protection = Win.